{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"13197569","dateCreated":"1247585454","smartDate":"Jul 14, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"griffd","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/griffd","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/gpezzabucks.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/13197569"},"dateDigested":1532092890,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Jefferson-Marshall Philosophies","description":"Jefferson wrote the Constitution with limited words that described what he thought how the new government should be formed and operated. He believed in limiting the control of government and keeping it in check. He believed in individualism, and felt farmers were the ones who would carry the government onwards. He defended the right of industrious persons to seek profit and that commerce was the fabric of society.
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\nMarshall, considered the architect of American federalism, believed there was spirit in the Constitution but only words alone defined that spirit \u2013 and it was too broad in scope. He felt that the states couldn\u2019t exist without powerful government, and he believed it would be industry to move the nation onward. With the Supreme Court, he interpreted the Constitution authoritatively, as the Court assumed the role of arbitrator settling disputes between national and state authority.
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\nIt must have been quite aggrevating to Jefferson that his 2nd cousin and the Supreme Court was able to have the power to interpret and amend the original concept of the Constitution.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"13135097","dateCreated":"1247068275","smartDate":"Jul 8, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"gpezza","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/gpezza","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/gpezzabucks.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/13135097"},"dateDigested":1532092890,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"July 14 Prompt","description":"From your reading and viewing of the presentation, explain why John Marshall and Thomas Jefferson (they were cousins) had such ill feelings for one another.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"13169229","body":"John Marshall and Thomas Jefferson, although cousins, had very different ideas when it came to Constitutional interpretation. Marshall, a Chief Justice of the supreme court, thought that the court ought to have the right to interpret and expound laws when necessary as to honor the Constitution as best they could. Jefferson, on the other hand, was a huge proponent of checks and balances and believed that by allowing Marshall and others of the supreme court to interpret the Constutition as they deemed "necessary" undermined the two other branchs' authority and power in the government. Jefferson feared that if one branch of government had more power than any of the other two, it would lead to tyranny much like that experienced in England. The differences in opinions of these prominent American figureheads help shine light on the hard work it must have been to frame our nation.","dateCreated":"1247333110","smartDate":"Jul 11, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"andicooke","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/andicooke","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"13188123","body":"The reason that Jefferson and Marshall had such ill feelings for each other was that they had two very different opinions on how to run the Federal Government. They cared about the United States so much that they wanted the best for the country. They both thought that their ideas and values were the right ones for America.
\nJohn Marshall was the major architect of American Federalism. While he was Chief Justice, the Supreme Court heard the case of Marbury vs. Madison. This gave the Supreme Court authoritative rights over the interpretation of the US Constitution. This policy said that the federal government over ride the state authority with the help of the President, Congress, Supreme Court.
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\nJefferson Believed that the Federal Government should not interfere with the states, as long as the rules were followed that were laid out by the federal government. He also believed that the one branch of the federal government can not become more powerful then that other two. He feared that the policy which was laid out by the Supreme Court would eventually lead to the collapse of the Federal Government","dateCreated":"1247516201","smartDate":"Jul 13, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"gerdingj","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/gerdingj","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"13193563","body":"Jefferson was a republican, he did not want the federal government to have overriding power over the country and most importantly in the decisions over problems that might arise in the future that they did not plan for. If the federal government can bend things to its will without being checked into place by an equal power, than whats to stop it from becoming the thing they just fought a war over? Jefferson was a man who wanted to maintain equal power between all 3 branches of government. He opposed Marshal specifically because he did not want any other branch to have loop holes over the others. He saw the supreme court as a potential calamity that could twist and warp the constitution to its will, and he believed the constitution should not be taken advantage of in that way. Jefferson was trying to prevent the federal government from slowly shifting power from the states unto itself.
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\nMarshall on the other hand realized that the constitution had many flaws, many of which were still unknown, and he knew it would have to be interpreted some how in the future when problems arose. He was a strong federalist, and helped decide what was best for the country. The constitution after all, was only so many words long, and it could not cover everything that could happen, or that might happen in the future. The problem they both faced was that Jefferson did not want any power hungry, or federalist-happy judge in the supreme court to taint an important trial decision that might slowly shift power out of balance. Jefferson seemed like he did not trust anyone with the power, and would rather leave it up to a system of voters to rule, instead of one absolute justice.","dateCreated":"1247542276","smartDate":"Jul 13, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"richweicheld","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/richweicheld","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1246988464\/richweicheld-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"13195659","body":"John Marshall and Thomas Jefferson were cousins but the list of things they had in common pretty much ends there. Their view of Federalism and their ultimate view of the country's destiny were foils of each other. Thomas Jefferson held this vision in which every American owns their own farm, takes care of himself, and all affairs are dealt with on the local level while central government remains out of every ones life. John Marshall saw America as a nation centered around cities, where America would have the industrial output equal to England, and where the central government would ultimately have more power. With so little in common it isn't hard to imagine that these two couldn't possibly be friends. They both sought to achieve their view of the nation while in office.
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\nWhile Jefferson became president, Marshall was in a position that better helped his agenda of a strong central government. As the nation's first chief justice, he made early interpretations of the constitution that would lead to the strong central government we have today. These decisions undermined Jefferson's republican philosophy. His ruling on McCulloch v. Maryland denied a state's right to tax the bank, thus putting the central government in a position superior to the state. And in Gibbons v. Ogden, he once again gave the central government more power. Almost everything (if not everything) Marshall did went against what Jefferson believed was the proper role of the central government, and for this reason, Jefferson had great disdain for Marshall.","dateCreated":"1247573502","smartDate":"Jul 14, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"ttolt91","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ttolt91","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"13196407","body":" With Thomas Jefferson's view of a limited role for the national government and the majority of responsibilities being the purview of the states, Jefferson would automatically distrust Justice John Marshall's rulings.
\n Marshall ruled in Marbury v. Madison that the SCOTUS would act as the final trier of Constitutional dispute between the federal and state delegated powers. Marshall, in this ruling, completely ignored the role of the People as Sovereign and failed to address the matter of who the final arbitrator is in matters of constraints on individual rights.
\n Jefferson held a view that kept the majority of power spread throughout the states, with individual freedoms addressed at the state level as well. The ruling by Marshall effectively limited the role by the states in decisions that the federal government took an interest in. The concentration of power among a limited number of elite elected officials was akin to the minor nobility of England's (through the House of Lords) role in their form of government. Jefferson feared a return to a system that diminished the effective check placed upon the federal government by the balance of decentralization of power through its spread amongst the several states. History has demonstrated that Jefferson's fears were valid, and some of his concerns regarding a political elite controlling the People for their personal gain have come to pass (Teapot Dome scandal- is an example).
\n Marshall ruled based upon what he felt was best to create a stable system that wouldn't be subject to the many competing whims of the several states. Through utilization of the federal government as the final and ultimate authority, his ruling assured that no single state could effectively control the policies that would be promoted by the congress. Marshall's ruling acted to ensure a constant competition between the states against the central power of the government.
\n This was not the system envisioned by Jefferson at all, and because of this, placed the two men at odds with one another politically. Ultimately, Marshall's impact has been greater than Jefferson's on the overall continual evolution of our government toward a more centralized concentration of overarching power.","dateCreated":"1247578828","smartDate":"Jul 14, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"stevelewonski","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/stevelewonski","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"13196867","body":"Thomas Jefferson and John Marshall had distinctively different political views. They both were powerful and remarkable men and had many followers and supporters. Their repugnant feelings toward each other were, perhaps, caused by many factors, including but not limited to their political differences. Jefferson, a Republican president who publicly expressed that he believed in federalist did not act accordingly to his words. Purchasing the land of Louisiana was a perfect example. John Marshall, an obscure Federalist, who had been the secondary of state during Adams\u2019s term, became the Supreme Court Justice when Jefferson took the presidency. When the case Marburry v. Madison was brought in the Supreme Court, Marshall certainly took it as an opportunity to expand the judicial branch\u2019s power and determined the role of the Supreme Court to \u201csay what the law is.\u201d Marshall harshly criticized Jefferson when deciding this case. He compared Jefferson with the \u201cKing of the England\u201d from whom we had fought freedom. From time to time, Federalists and Republicans disagreed on many things. Marshall forcefully enabling the judicial power to oversee whether the executive and the legislature branches\u2019 acts are lawful certainly created political obstacles for Jefferson.","dateCreated":"1247581892","smartDate":"Jul 14, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"zitong66","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/zitong66","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1247335343\/zitong66-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":false},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}